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  1. I have run BFGs since I bought the truck in 1998, with the two exceptions listed. The new tire tread design on the KM2s wore horribly. They chunked massively and I only got to around 25,000 miles on them. Maybe that's all a tire like that can handle. Like I said, if I bought a lemon with the Hankooks I will know within a year. The Hankooks supposedly have the same tread design as the old Goodyears. I think BFG changed something in the rubber compound (softer or harder?) no doubt for a better ride but at the expense of durability. Plus they added siping which only allows little rocks to tear away at the tread.
  2. I ended up getting the Hankook Mudders. I was still undecided until I ran into a bunch of guys running them while clearing brush on my forest road project. They all spoke highly of them. What really surprised me was the total lack of response by the local tire stores. I asked five stores for a price and only one responsed. Including Discount, which was not the respondent!! So much for businesses being hungry in a tough economy! Time will tell if I made a good choice or if I ended up with another lemon loser like the infamous Big O Mudder or the Firestone Destination Mudders.
  3. I am sure I posted this in the wrong classification.... It is time for tires on my 1998 Tacoma. I have always run the BF Goodrich Mud Terrains. The current set is the first I have had with the “new” tread design.” (KM2) Pros: Performed well. Cons: Terrible mileage, very prone to “chunking.” My vehicle is at the ripe old age where it is used mostly offroad. Very little pavement except getting to and from the fun spots. The previous Goodrich tires I have had since 1998 did not seem to tear out or “chunk” pieces so easily. Perhaps the rubber is harder/softer (?) No doubt for a better ride but at a price for durability. I have tried private brand tires (Big O’s Mudder, Firestone Destination Mudder), with totally dismal results. So this time around I am looking at either 1. Staying with BFG because they do work reasonably well.... or... ....the following possibilities Kumho Road Venture MT Yokohama Geolander MT Hankook Dyna Pro MT (leery of this one because it is a Chinese tire although I was told it has the old Goodyear MT tread pattern. However that doesn’t mean it is the same tire). Where to buy? Desert Rat is out. Their idea of customer service is “go away.” Discount is the obvious choice. However, while their website claims they offer many different brands, the stores don’t actually stock much other than the Goodrich and Goodyears. I live in N Phx so any place out of my area (Mesa, Tempe, etc.) is not an option. Input would be appreciated on brands - please be specific. Like “why” !! And where to buy.... I am old enough to remember when stores actually gave customer service. Today however it seems we are all numbers and customer service is a dead option. The short of that means I usually buy something like Discount’s replacement plan so if a 10 penny nail rips my tire to shreds out on I-17 I don’t have to buy a whole new tire. Tire stores seem to vary from not offering a replacement plan to a plan where you almost have to engage in hand to hand combat to get an adjustment. Thanks
  4. Indian land is something completely different. I doubt if an RS 2477 claim could be effective there. However, if a road alignment has shifted on non-Indian land, an RS 2477 claim would still be valid. As I stated in my initial post, if there is any type of easement granted to the County then the landowner is "SOL" (graphic reference) about legally closing the route. Only the County could do that and then again an RS 2477 claim could be brought against the County. The real problem here is we have landowners who think they are omnipotent over access rights on established public roads. Claims of dust or noise are pretty superfluous - like people buying a house next to an airport and complaining about the same. The offroad community needs to be proactive and stop relying on the good graces of third parties, i.e. land owners or governmental agencies. In Utah and Colorado, locked gates and berms have been removed by offroaders on public routes. Once a landowner closes a road and successfully stops access, it is a lot harder for the public to regain that right. Our state Four Wheel Drive Association has been especially lax about moving to protect access rights. There are usually two courses of action available: what I would call "civil disobedience" (which it really isn't since you are not defying a government but rather actively asserting a right against a private party) in keeping a route open, and, yes, going to Court. Anyone can file in Court. The most intimidating thing there is the procedural routine to maneuver through. If assigned a decent judge, he may even help out. A group or organization can pool resources and hire a paralegal or other qualified person to help out. Think of what the other party has to do: respond and defend. Depending on how determined they are to close down the road (and how much money they have to hire an attorney to respond to the action) a settlement may come quicker than expected. Does this seem extreme? YES. However, with the increased population in this state, and more people moving to the seclusion of remote locations, it is probably the only recourse in keeping routes open. To sit back and do nothing only guarantees that the number of places available for exploration and enjoyment will continue to dwindle.
  5. FYI Revised Statute 2477 was passed in 1866 and allowed for the creation of public roads across public property. The statute was one sentence and stated in its entirety: “The right-of-way for the construction of highways over public land, not reserved for public uses, is hereby granted”. The law was repealed in 1976, but roads that had been established before that time are still valid. The statute was designed to help open and settle the West. The federal government was passing homesteading and mining laws around the same time. The idea was to transfer the vast amount of public land in the West to private ownership. Certainly, farming, ranching and mining would not be possible without a road system to allow the new owners to access their properties and allow them to bring their goods to market. Many of the federal, state and county highways throughout the West were established as RS 2477 roads and no one questions that they are valid public roads. Problems can arise with more obscure roads. RS 2477 can be employed to open access to previously isolated or landlocked tracts. At the same time, a previously unknown road may suddenly appear crossing what had been a peaceful, private property destroying the very attributes that may be highly valued by the owner. RS 2477 has also been used by county governments to thwart federal attempts to designate large areas in the West as wilderness. This occurred first in Southern Utah and in Alaska and has most recently cropped up in Moffat County Colorado. R.S. 2477 can be asserted against private landowners, Brown v. Jolley, 387 P.2d 278, 282 (Colo. 1963) and Leach v. Manhart, 77 P.2d 652, 653-54 (Colo. 1938). The ability of a private party to assert an R.S. 2477 claim against the federal government to cross federal property is questionable at this point. Fairhurst Family Association, LLC v. United States Forest Service,172 F. Supp.2d 1328 (D. Colo. 2001); Baker’s Peak Landowner’s Association, Inc. v. United States of America, Case No. 00-S-519, Order dated July 30, 2001; and Staley v. United States of America, 168 F. Supp.2d 1209 (D. Colo. 2001). Whether a road can be established as a public road can make a significant difference in how the road can be used. Many parcels that have been used for decades for agricultural uses and the access road may be limited to those uses. In other words, an adjacent property owner may be able to raise a valid objection if the road crossing her property changes to access for one or two houses instead of access to mow hay two or three time per year. On the other hand, if the road is public, it can be used in any manner, for any purposes. Therefore, the adjoining landowner could not object if the road was used to access a 150 unit subdivision. Obviously, if the land crossed by the road is in a high value area, the stakes in a dispute like that would be equally high. So how can you tell whether a road that could provide access to your property (or one crossing your property to reach another property) is an RS 2477 road? Many times, the answer is not clear. It will depend on events that occurred long ago, sometimes 100 years or more. Every road is unique and usually significant historic research is required. Avenues of inquiry include searching old government records, reviewing current and historic maps and aerial photographs and other techniques. Many times, the research will turn up evidence on both sides of the question and a court action will be required to resolve the issue.
  6. I understand your purpose. Similarly when I pass through Cordes every week I slow down to avoid dusting the houses there. However when I hear a whiff of any governmental entity or private party threatening to flex their (non existent) muscles by closing down a road, the red alerts go off. Landowners need to learn that when they buy a piece of property with a road crossing it, they may have acquired an established easement or a RS 2477 right of way. In either case, it is something the property owner will have to live with. I have also learned that if a road has an easement or is a RS 2477 route, it is PERFECTLY legal to REMOVE any locked gates or other obstructions placed to restrict access.
  7. I get really upset when I hear about private land owners threatening crap like this. If there is indeed an easement granted to the County, then the road CANNOT be closed unless the COUNTY closes it! I do not know where this road is but ANOTHER possibility would be examining the road to see if it can be classified as an RS 2477 route. In any event, no local law enforcement agency has any jurisdiction in this matter. Sounds like the old "color of law" ruse. Sorry but I get really militant about road closures. I'm not talking about trails that have been illegally carved out by careless four wheelers but rather bona fide real roads, some of which are over 125 years old.
  8. "So, what do you do when you are solo on the road heading back to the trailers and your tire goes, and you do not carry a spare?" I copied that from the virtualjeep article. At the risk of starting a flame war, that one sentence is so glaringly idiotic that my first reply would be: "You should not be driving offroad in the first place!" I have seen people in remote locations with no spares, with no water, with leaking radiators, and on and on and on. The best one was following a Suburban up the back way to CK with two flats. As I passed him - yes he was actually moving - he eyed my TWO spare tires and "wondered" if they would fit his vehicle. Another classic was on the same trail (different day) where someone with a flat was holding up traffic for quite a ways. He too had no spare and was trying to mount a loaner. Problem was the hole pattern was slightly off and the wheel wouldn't mount. So someone, out of desperation (or anger) beat the tire assy onto the vehicle with a hammer. I quit running the back road to CK because 1). Too many vehicles on the trail and 2) too many breakdowns caused by ill prepared people. And another classic was an older Bronco out by Tip Top, leaking coolant all the way down the road. "It's normal," the owner told me. I mean this wasn't a tiny leak. It was seeping all over and running down the (highly rusted) frame. The key word in the opening quote is "solo." That would be me, as I am sure some of you know. If I break down, it's a LONG hike to nowhere, and nowhere can't offer much help, I realize you can't carry every possible part that might break, but batteries and tires are pretty basics. And a cell phone. Hopefully with a carrier that has service more than 30' off the pavement. Actually the bed of my truck is so full of gear when I head out that it often draws comments from people who see it. The best thing is (knocking on wood), I rarely have to use much of it.
  9. I use this site for the codes http://www.troublecodes.net/OBD2/ and I just got this neat gauge http://www.scangauge.com/ Besides reading and clearing codes it has a host of gauges and trip odometers. The easiest way to clear codes without a reader is by pulling the EFI fuse. Avoids disconnecting the battery cable and losing all the programming in your radio/cd player.
  10. thanks all. I am collecting & digesting the answers; will have a typically long and overly detailed response in a bit. hope to hear from more of you.
  11. Might be a survey. Probably in the wrong place. Anyways, what is your opinion about Optima batteries. I won't say anything yet because I want an unvarnished response from the forum.
  12. reminds me of the crown king trail but i am probably off
  13. Now I know where the Prescott National Forest got their "artifacts" b.s. from when I was first working on my Adopt A Road project. I read a little about the Antiquities of Act of 1906 and it's right in there. The PNF accused me of damaging artifacts while reconstructing parts of the road. I know another man who built an access road to his private property in the Forest and they sued him for the same b.s. ....Alleging he had committed numerous acts of destruction. The Forest Service brought in "experts" who testified to that fact but they provided no studies or documentation to back up their claims. The judge practically laughed them out of court. Yavapai County told me that every time they grade the main road to Crown King, if they stray 1" out of the current right of way, they have to perform some antiquity study to make sure one tiny microscopic pottery shard isn't getting ground into toast. I think the Forest Service uses the Antiquities Act to close off lots of land and is part of their program to herd everyone into pay-for-use campgrounds. The nice kind where you can spend your weekend away from the city and its noises while camped next to someone in their 40' motorhome with 5 squealing kids and the barking dogs. Between that, the lack of care for the deteriorating forest road network, and the bark beetles killing all the trees (which is a matter of poor forest management in the first place), our forests will soon become the land version of the Gulf of Mexico.
  14. Wow you need a snake fence around your property. I would have a heart attack if I found one of those in my yard. At least when I trim brush on the roads & trails the noise of the chain saw scares the critters away. Well that's my theory. so far..... (except for bees which is another story). I saw a show on the Hysterical (History) channel about wildlife like this and how people moving here from all over the country kind of go into shock when they have an encounter such as yours.. The show said such encounters were prompting a lot of non-natives (or recent imports) to plan on moving away. ......I haven't noticed that as of yet. btw: Back east the venomous snakes climb trees (copperheads). So we don't have it so bad!
  15. Of Maintaining FSR 89 from the Peck Mine to the Goat Ranch has begun. Will take about 6 to 8 weeks as usual. Cold refreshing drinks are always welcome; makes me stop and take a break. Although the calendar says May, yesterday felt more like a mid-February day. Forest traffic seems to be down by at least 50% over prior years.
  16. I wish people visiting the Table Mesa area would have treaded lightly over the past 10-15 years or so. It is very sad to see how that area has been completely trashed.
  17. It's Jeff Angell Phoenix Dent Repair 602-920-0086 Yes my truck is a keeper. Mainly because it's paid for and I can't afford a new one plus I am the original owner plus I think I have bonded with it. I gave away my first 4x4 in a stupid deal on a new one (obviously not my current ride) and have been kicking myself forever because it was a good truck. I don't want to make that mistake again. Oh yeah; even though it's a Toyota it doesn't accelerate out of control and it always stops when I tell it to
  18. Okay so the guy showed up - early actually - which is something in and of itself because 3 out of 4 that I called didn't even call back. We pulled my truck into a spare bay in the warehouse and I left back to my department. I didn't want to watch because (1. I would have been a PIA and (2. I would have been like a parent hovering over its child.... He told me it would take about and hour and it was like 20-25 minutes later when he called and said he was done. I figured this couldn't be good - but it actually was. No dents. No trace of where they were! I would definitely rec this guy. He said he had been doing it for 20 years so I guess the experience counts. I know there are a lot of these mobile dent repair people running around; kind of like roofers and air conditioning people. And from what I've head about 2/3 are flakes!
  19. Yes the problem with that is my truck is white and when you try taking a photo nothing really shows up. Apparently he uses a UV light so he can see the full size of the dent
  20. So Thursday I have a time scheduled with a service where the guy has been doing it for 20 years. I have had dent removal before but it's been a long time. So let's see how it turns out. You'll probably hear me scream if it doesn't look better than it does now.
  21. BOMBS AWAY Okay here's my letter to the Prescott National Forest ---------------------------------- Your name was forwarded as a contact person in the Prescott National Forest who should be able to address some issues regarding the MVUM and related subjects. Since 2001 I have been undertaking an Adopt A Road project in the Bradshaw District. In the beginning Bill Cook was my contact person. After he retired, Ron Rodgers was the new liaison. Last summer I spoke with Mr. Rodgers about maintaining a section of the Bullroad Trail/#202 in the area of the Goat Ranch towards Crown King. The section I have been working on is about 3-4 miles in length. During our conversation he indicated I should feel free to maintain any other tertiary trails that connect with the 202 in my area. I have undertaken that project since last summer. A couple of weeks ago I called the Prescott National Forest to touch base with Mr. Rodgers and was told he only worked during the summer. I inquired who was handling the Adopt A Road program and was told that the Prescott National Forest did not have, and has never had, such a program. I can assure you there are lots of Adopt A Road signs scattered across the Prescott. Most appear to be inactive but they would seem to validate that the Prescott does (or did) have such a program. I have four such signs along the length of my road project. Therefore, my first question would be: Who is currently in charge of the Adopt A Road program? Now to the MVUM: I have studied this map in the area I maintain for the Forest. Several routes or sections of routes are either misclassified or missing completely from the plan. How can I go about offering specific suggestions for correcting these oversights? I can submit overlay maps based on topographical maps, Prescott National Forest maps, or google earth images. As an alternative, I would also be open to in-field examinations of the routes I have referenced. Thank you for your time and attention. I look forward to your response. --------------------------------------------- Let me tell you they HATE those in-field trips. Something about being away from the air conditioning (or heating) and the related amenities......
  22. Last fall I started clearing a section of the War Eagle Trail from Alexandra to the War Eagle Mine. it was once the lumber road for the Alexandra townsite. Lumber was hauled down to Alex. from the higher elevations during the Peck's heyday. That trail/road is now gone from all FS maps. Even though it still exists. I plan on continuing the restoration as well as an offshoot of the War Eagle that leads to the 202. The offshoot trail is an old bulldozer drag created back when the ranchers were building water tanks in the area. It shows on the 1986 FS map but was stripped from the 1989 edition. It is a perfectly viable bike/quad road and affords an excellent loop trail when used with FSR 89. Ron Rodgers told me it was okay to clear it out and now it's officially closed? I don't give up without a long protracted fight so I guess this will be another Waterloo for me. What can the FS do? Fine me $10,000? Hell I can't even make the minimum on my $8,000 credit card bill so what's another ten grand? But seriously, it is time for people to get proactive about road closings. Between private land owners, who think they are kings, and the various guvmint agencies, there seem to be few friends for the offroad community.
  23. Okay I can try Debbie. Don't know Julie. My Adopt A Road and general road restoration contact was Bill Cook. He was a very helpful person who had been there for centuries. He retired and I was shuttled to a guy named Ron Rodgers. He and I went over my plans for restoring a section of the Bullroad Trail #202. I tried to access him and was told (last month) that he only works in the summer months! Nice work if you can get it.... Oh don't worry.... I can be VERY specific with maps and everything. I know the roads and trails there better than they do. As for the ASA4WDC, I tried to get them to help when the PNF and Crown King's largest gadfly and overall loser, the owner of the Mill (this guy is a real piece of work and NO friend to the offroad community), tried to close FSR 89. I think the contact then at the ASA4WDC was a guy named Brad Jones? NO help at all. Seemed like he wasn't interested because their group didn't discover the closure before I did. Which brought up another pet peeve subject of mine: the right of property owners (or specifically the lack of any right) to close down public roads that cross their land. Especially if said roads predate the patenting of private land holdings (which is what we are talking about in any National Forest). So I will get my maps ready for Debbie. End of rant part 2
  24. My comment kind of relates to this topic. Has anyone seen the Prescott National Forest's MVUM - Motor Vehicle Use Map? Based on a 1989 PNF Forest Map, it now shows all roads that are open to vehicular travel by classification: 4x4's, 50" vehicles or less, and motorcycles only. I see a plethora of problems with this map. It was supposedly designed to show what routes can be traveled and came as a result of increased visitor use to the PNF. Of course what they don't tell you is that the 1989 PNF map had probably 20% less roads on it than the 1986 PNF map (which I still have as a valued artifact). So the way to accommodate more forest visitors is using a 20 year old map that had already stripped many miles of roads from previous maps? And the current MVUM gives NO long/lat coordinates or any other reference points. That makes it peachy to try finding (or knowing ) what road or trail you just might happen to be traveling. Well I guess there is one good thing. I hear the PNF has abandoned its long held policy that if a forest road or trail is not signed, it is considered closed. Do you realize what the ridiculous policy means (or meant)? I can speak from experience that the PNF signs the roads about as often as Halley's comet streaks through the sky. And although I know this is a loathesome topic for many, the PNF only maintains some 300 miles of their 1600 mile forest road network. Those roads that do get any maintenance or care are the family-van camper-friendly roads in and around Prescott. Other than some minor sub contracted maintenance, the PNF hasn't done anything to any of the roads in the Bradshaw Ranger District in years. Of course I guess that task would be difficult: with their 1.25 million acres, they only have one dozer, one grader, and one law enforcement agent(who never goes anywhere outside the confines of Prescott. Can we say "Barney Fife?"). I quickly found out way back in 2003 that the desk jockeys in Prescott don't know their own forest at all. I have been trying to get a trash dump left by a squatter in the Alexandra area cleaned up for about three years. But no one in Prescott knows where Alexandra, or the Peck Mine, is. Guess that's no issue now because they have removed the road past this garbage dump from the new MVUM. Even though it is a historic road that easily predates the existence of the PNF. Can they do that - legally??? Why of course not!!!! Guess they never heard of RS 2477 either...... Likewise, when they came out to inspect (read that : looking for an excuse to "bust" me for something) my FS 89 work, they had to be led by the nose along the entire route - because they had NO clue where they were. Of course now when I call to talk about Adopt A Roads in the forest, they tell me they have no such program (or indeed never did). So where did I get the National Forest/Adopt A Road signs?????? Geeenius Deluxxxeee!!! I quickly found out in my initial days of working to keep FSR 89 open that what the PNF really wants is for all the tertiary roads (and I guess thats most of the 1300 miles that they don't maintain) to continue to degrade until they are eventually closed for "resource management." So for the heavy duty rock crawlers, enjoy it while you can because chances are your kids won't get the chance. Forgive my ranting.... Back to the MVUM..... It's pretty obvious from my observations that the brains in Prescott did not examine or travel any portion of the roads/trails on the MVUM. They simply pulled straws out of the air (or rolled loaded dice) and said "this one is open, that one is closed," etc. I have noticed several routes that are obviously misclassified, and other routes that are completely missing. I am attempting to call some of these oversights to the PNF's attention but this effort is like the proverbial David throwing stones at Goliath. Get a copy of the MVUM today. If nothing else, it's a handy conversation piece, being the largest map I have ever seen in my life. Oh yes: there are new boogeyman threats about being found on roads/trails not on the MVUM, and other threats about camping in non-designated areas. For instance, you can camp within 600' of any road /trail on the map. But wait a minute! That's 300' either side from the centerline of the road/trail. Got your tape measure handy? :mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad::mad:
  25. Anyone up for trail/road restoration and/or maintenance can ALWAYS lend me a hand...or two....or three......or more!!!!
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